Acts Out Of Turn

Why does an act out of turn still stand?

It can easily give the person who acted out of turn a massive advantage.

For example, if the person is in late position heads up and is aiming to bluff at the pot, lets say he went allin out of turn, that still stands, applying pressure back on the person who may have the best hand. A way to look at it is, Lets say the bluffer has 100 in front of him and the person who was meant to act first bets 40, thent he bluffer may think twice about bluffing because the other person may already be pot commited. However if the bluffer puts the before the first person puts the 40 in, it gives the person in position one the chance to get out without being pot commited and easily fold, because he may not want to put 100 in to that pot there, and is no longer getting the right odds for the call.

Surely the most logical thing would be, that anything up to that bet is an automatic call by the late better. For example if he bets 10 out of turn then it doesnt stand however, any act up to 10 is classed as an automatic call by the person who bet out of turn. So this then gives the players the advantage of either checking it around or betting whatever they want. The person who originally bet late only gets his right to raise back if the call is more than double what he originally bet out of turn.

I dont see any advantage any player gets long term from someone who bets out of turn having them stand, unless of course they have the nuts or want all the chips in. Surely the advantage would be with the player if he looses his right to act for anything less than 10.

Hope this makes sense?


It happens all the time in tournament and cash games there, people bet out of turn, which can happen as an honest mistake, but its not the way the game is meant to be played so why shud the person who bet out of turn, more often than not get an advantage over the other players.

Anyone?

Just want to point out that this weekend gala awarded a trip to gibraltar for players that won a tournament in one of their uk casino's.

They were shocked that firstly you could smoke in the card room, that any chips placed over the betting line does not count as a bet, ie someone holding 4x£5 chips and reaches hand over line then just drops 1 £5 chip the bet is £5 and not the amount of chips that went over the line. And that an act out of turn still stands.

In any casino in the UK the out of turn rule is as i suggested above, yet we have to suffer with the pointless rules as above.

Its ridiculous that the players are raising these issues and they are getting ignored, secondly its laughable to all customers visiting from other casinos. On Thursday evening Paul jackson was in the card room (famously known for finishing 2nd in the Monte Carlo millions winning $600k) and he found the standard of the rulling embarrasing.

Please can someone just address these issues, use some common sense and improve the rules in the casino. It surely wouldnt take too long, its not like we are asking gala to decide rules, just use the same as all their other poker rooms in the UK.

One final thing does any of the casino supervisors or management monitor and check that the house rules are being applied. I have just read the rules listed on the website and some rules in particular do not match up with whats being applied. In particular in the tournament rules on the website, the late entry time limit ruling states in a freezeout the latest entry can be accepted up until 60 minutes after the start of tournament. At the moment its when the first level is complete no late entries can be accepted, often meaning that 3-5 players are being turned away regularly when gala rules actually states they should be allowed to enter.

I hope the casino management have a look at the points mentioned above and take action, otherwise players will start venturing to other places specifically in two months time when cash games are allowed in the marbella casino. There is already a dramatic decline in the amount of players are entering the tournaments. Obviously having an effect on the cash games (which i play most :( )

Ok I assume that nobody from the casino wishes to comments on the issues raised here?

Thanks anyway, probably best to ignore rather than have someone use common sense to attempt to resolve the matter.

It indeed happens more and more, please official response

joking arent ya,

casino gone down the pan, the customers have stopped going everytime i go lucky to have over 12 players for any tournament and more than 8 players in a cash game.